Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod Mates » ned 21.07.2019 22:05

Já bych se vůbec nedivil, kdyby to Italové u Lucase opravdu špatně změřili. Sainteloc přece nejsou amatéři, hlavně jedou o vítězství a s případnou rozborkou víceméně počítají, nechce se mi úplně věřit, že by to takto podělali. Těžko říct, těžko soudit takhle od PC. Nezastávám se Alexe, ale na druhou stranu z vlastních zkušeností vím, že v Itálii je víceméně možné úplně všechno :geek:
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod Karbonyl » ned 21.07.2019 22:12

Tady je celé rozhodnutí včetně metodiky měření (každá strana změřena třikrát a z hodnot se vypočítá průměr). Blbé změření tedy nepřichází v úvahu a nebyla to závěrečná rozborka, ale kontrola v průběhu rally.
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod Červ » ned 21.07.2019 22:26

Mirek Fric píše:Aby toho nebylo málo, tak špatný rozvor měl i další Citroën Emmy Falcón, ale ta dostala jen 30 sekund penalizaci...
Ta měla špatně ale jen půlku auta :D tak proto jen 30s nejspíš
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod Mirek Fric » pon 22.07.2019 18:34

Video věnované českým posádkám
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A sestřih druhé etapy
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod Mirek Fric » pon 22.07.2019 18:42

Slušná divočina na tomhle videu
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A ještě ERC3-Junior z druhé etapy včetně havárií Furusetha a Munstera (hodně legrační) a velké krizovky Torna
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod PLuto » úte 23.07.2019 18:42

Alexey Lukyanuk:

Therefore, here is the story.

I do not make any conclusions or insinuations and here almost no my personal opinion about the things. Just facts and questions.
During the Rally DI Roma Capitale our crew was penalized by one minute according STEWARDS DECISION N.7. https://www.rallydiroma.eu/…/decision_7_stewards_rally_roma…
In simple words it says, that distance between axles (wheelbase) was about 2mm longer (2570mm instead of 2568,4), than in homologation. The measurements were done after first loop of stages before Service A (less than 25% of the rally). After the measurement, the car was in Park Ferme, and then we had 8 minutes to reach service zone. At that time I was not aware, that something is wrong. When we entered the service, my engineer and mechanics immediately measured the wheelbase in presence of FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre. And… numbers were the same, as in the workshop before the rally! 2565mm both sides! The answer from FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre was: “Maybe you adjusted it before service”. But any person from motorsport understand, that it is absolutely not possible to adjust wheelbase by 5mm. Both sides. Driving about 1 km in the city. In 8 minutes (5 of them standing next to Service A Time Control, what could be checked by GPS tracking).
By the way, the car of my team mate in Sainteloc racing, Hiroki Arai, has been also checked at 2570 mm, so 2mm over the limit but scruteener checked it again and new measurement was 2566 mm. Our engineer is in charge of Arais’s C3R5 and we had the same wheels alignment (Wheelbase, etc..)
The Team checked again the wheel base back in workshop today, in order to understand how could have been made the mistake by scruteeners, even with the front wheels not completely straight, the wheelbase was conform…
In the Saturday evening (after day1), there was a meeting of Sainteloc team manager Vincent Ducher, engineer Remi Verlaque and FIA Stewards. All the explanations were given, including measures in service under control of FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre, Remi made a statement, that the car comply with all regulations and homologation and he will not make any changes to the car till the end of the rally. Also the team presented a data sheet of pre-rally checks with numbers 2565mm at both sides, what, by my opinion was the weakest proof, and… Exactly that data sheet was mentioned in the STEWARDS DECISION N.7, but nothing else… At the same time it is written in the decision, that “FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre confirms that the measuring of the wheelbase was according to the FIA measuring method” despite he was not present at the procedure in Park Ferme and not attending this meeting.
Another side of the story. We were informed about the penalty with one-day delay (at 11h30 during regrouping, after 70% of the rally). And as we were still racing, we had no time to make an international appeal (rules is 1h maximum) after notification of stewards decision. And it was 1 minute penalty! It had turned the things upside down dramatically. Should we know it earlier, maybe we could save third place. Yes, Crugnola was faster than we, but we started fighting with him too late!
The meeting was in the Saturday evening, but the crucial for our rally and championship decision was made only on the next day. And it’s absolutely unknown, why we were given 1 minute. For example, STEWARDS DECISION N.8 about same situation with car #23 of Emma Falcon turned out with 30 seconds. https://www.rallydiroma.eu/…/decision_8_stewards_rally_roma…

For me there are many signs, that there was something wrong:
1. The team DID NO ADJUSTMENTS to the car till the end of the rally!
2. No more checks of wheelbase during the LEG2 by stewards
3. Team monitored wheelbase at each service. It was the same.
4. Strange deviations in measurements for some other cars
5. Rumors
In the end, this penalty had significant impact on sporting part of the rally, changing competition itself. We never say "IF", but someone can imagine, that we could finish this event 3 seconds from First Place and score 29 points instead of 22 for the championship.

I let everyone make his own mind.
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod Haryk » stř 24.07.2019 07:25

nemohli se odvolat, protože závodili? to jen oni dva umějí psát? :o
nebo já neumím číst?
Bezpečnost muší bejt, i kdyby měly obratle praskat!
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Re: Rally di Roma Capitale [ERC, ERCJ, ITA]

Nový příspěvekod PLuto » čtv 25.07.2019 04:18

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